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Post by Run Ragged Parent on Feb 5, 2018 14:02:17 GMT
Let's hope this isn't correct as this "standards based" concept lends itself to being subject to politics and corruption and is a step backwards in Ontario at least. My other concern is that No Prom + No Releg + No Playoffs = No purpose + No interest any longer. As kids hit the age of 13 & 14, they are exposed to many other sports where play has a purpose. They drop soccer (an easy sport to learn for a 7 & 8 year old) for sports where the outcome means something. My child has been exposed to many sports and their organizations and is finding that as she gets older soccer has less meaning and more practice time compared to other sports. The only purpose remaining is promotion/relegation. If you take that away and there are no playoffs, then the interest diminishes.
The powers that be need to spend more time on parent focus groups. In talking with parents and kids, the high dropout rate that begins in soccer at the 13-14 year age group is because the kids are bored with playing a sport with excessively high practice - game ratio that doesn't lead to anything. Most soccer clubs in a regional league practice at least 4 times per week.
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Post by protega on Feb 6, 2018 13:41:12 GMT
Let's hope this isn't correct as this "standards based" concept lends itself to being subject to politics and corruption and is a step backwards in Ontario at least. I agree with this. The OPDL criteria were set so as to keep academies out (requirement to have teams at both genders and requirement to have audited financial statements - neither of which do anything for player development; whether my son's academy has a U10 girls team or not has no impact whatsoever on my U13 son's development; as for the audited financial statements, there is at least one club that wasn't able to meet its financial obligations despite having audited financials, so this is meaningless and a drain on resources). I'm skeptical about how the CSA will set their criteria, because they haven't shown to be much (if at all) better than OS as far as transparency and inclusiveness.
If you really want the best playing the best and keep players from moving around every year, there should be pro/rel, but for a program as a whole. So take the aggregate results of a club/academy's U13 - U17 boys and drop the bottom however many programs they decide and promote clubs/academies as a whole from the lower tier. Over time, stronger players will gravitate towards the better programs; but if a program happens to have a team that didn't do well, that team wouldn't necessarily be relegated if their other teams did well enough. So there is incentive for a player to stay with a program, even though their team might not have done well. Do the same thing on the girls side, but aggregate a club/academy's girls teams' results separately. You would probably end up over time with programs that are geared more towards the girls programs, which would be great for the girls game. At the same time, a strong program wouldn't be held back at a lower level on the boys side simply because they don't have girls teams at every age group.
They can impose relevant technical criteria that have to be met before a club/academy can accept promotion, but much of what's there is intended to ensure certain people are kept out (which is the opposite of what they should be doing).
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Post by Ace... on Mar 3, 2018 20:15:11 GMT
There was the previous statement regarding TFC kids playing in a Sanctioned tournament this past Christmas break.
I can also confirm >6 players were in an unsanctioned tournament at London's BMO's Optimist Scrooge Tournament where I specifically pointed out some of these individuals. These '06 kids ultimaty won the U12 tournament, but an interesting point is that the standings that were being posted on-line through-out the tournament an are available afterwards were removed from the website.
All other tournament days results are still available to view... makes you wonder 'why'... OSA protecting their connection with TFC in their establishment of controlling youth soccer.
Sad at best...
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Post by protega on Mar 26, 2018 14:14:54 GMT
Anyone see the presentation by Jason Devos and Nutt about the CSA club licensing program? While they're theoretically opening this up to academies, they kept harping on how the OPDL clubs are already meeting the criteria for the national club licensing level. I kind of got the sense that no a whole lot will change.
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Post by new2socceryyz on Apr 30, 2018 23:43:12 GMT
I found this announcement today (04/30) interesting: www.yrsa.ca/york-academy.html about York Region providing a no fee academy - York Academy Player Program - for its best district players. Any thoughts on this and how it would shake out and if any other districts would follow suit?
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Post by CanCro on May 3, 2018 21:34:52 GMT
As someone who’s son has played in all 5 leagues (Club, SAAC, CAF, OASL and now OPDL U13) I can tell you I’m impressed with the level of play and competition at U13 OPDL thus far in the friendlies we’ve participated in. Definitely the highest concentration of talent vs previous leagues which is good to see considering that was the whole point of OPDL. For example, of the 50+ kids that were in a previous Club’s LTPD program, only TWO boys ended up being selected to their U13 OPDL squad for 2018. The rest of the players came form other clubs/academies in the area that either don’t have an OPDL team or didn’t get selected by their first OPDL choice. This team made it to the finals of the Ontario Futsal Cup. Also, at a US tournament this past weekend, an OPDL team from Ottawa won the U13 Top Tier Boys Elite Group. Will be interesting to see how the May long weekend’s Umbro Super Rated tournament goes as many OPDL & OASL teams are participating. I was always cautious about moving to OPDL but so far I like what I see.
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Post by Lawjen on May 5, 2018 21:20:40 GMT
As someone who’s son has played in all 5 leagues (Club, SAAC, CAF, OASL and now OPDL U13) I can tell you I’m impressed with the level of play and competition at U13 OPDL thus far in the friendlies we’ve participated in. Definitely the highest concentration of talent vs previous leagues which is good to see considering that was the whole point of OPDL. For example, of the 50+ kids that were in a previous Club’s LTPD program, only TWO boys ended up being selected to their U13 OPDL squad for 2018. The rest of the players came form other clubs/academies in the area that either don’t have an OPDL team or didn’t get selected by their first OPDL choice. This team made it to the finals of the Ontario Futsal Cup. Also, at a US tournament this past weekend, an OPDL team from Ottawa won the U13 Top Tier Boys Elite Group. Will be interesting to see how the May long weekend’s Umbro Super Rated tournament goes as many OPDL & OASL teams are participating. I was always cautious about moving to OPDL but so far I like what I see.
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Post by Lawjen on May 5, 2018 21:26:32 GMT
As someone who’s son has played in all 5 leagues (Club, SAAC, CAF, OASL and now OPDL U13) I can tell you I’m impressed with the level of play and competition at U13 OPDL thus far in the friendlies we’ve participated in. Definitely the highest concentration of talent vs previous leagues which is good to see considering that was the whole point of OPDL. For example, of the 50+ kids that were in a previous Club’s LTPD program, only TWO boys ended up being selected to their U13 OPDL squad for 2018. The rest of the players came form other clubs/academies in the area that either don’t have an OPDL team or didn’t get selected by their first OPDL choice. This team made it to the finals of the Ontario Futsal Cup. Also, at a US tournament this past weekend, an OPDL team from Ottawa won the U13 Top Tier Boys Elite Group. Will be interesting to see how the May long weekend’s Umbro Super Rated tournament goes as many OPDL & OASL teams are participating. I was always cautious about moving to OPDL but so far I like what I see.
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Post by protega on May 18, 2018 13:05:28 GMT
Anyone know why OS doesn't enforce the OPDL rule about players not being allowed to play school soccer? Conversely, why even have this rule if they don't follow it? Just came to mind with the high school soccer season now, but some regions play their school season in the fall and it wasn't enforced then either.
I suppose its not all that different than allowing Mapola do whatever they want, or allowing those clubs in Ottawa to run a rogue unsanctioned league.
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Post by protega on May 20, 2018 13:01:22 GMT
Will be interesting to see how the May long weekend’s Umbro Super Rated tournament goes as many OPDL & OASL teams are participating. Looks like the OPDL teams did quite poorly against non-OPDL teams on the first day of the Umbro tournament, just based on the scores. I realize that scores can be misleading and not always reflective of the play at these ages, but the results seemed particularly bad across the board.
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Post by 2004dad on May 20, 2018 19:42:39 GMT
i am quite familiar with some of the teams, i will say there is a couple of good opdl teams on this tournament and a ton of bad ugly brand of soccer being played in this u14 age group.
the 5-7k fees that the oasl and opdl leagues are asking for is just absurd for the product that they are delivering.
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Post by CanCro on May 22, 2018 1:59:37 GMT
What OPDL/OASL clubs/academies are charging $5K-7K? Our OPDL U13 fees are $3,400 and prior OASL Academy charges $3,800. I’ve never heard anything close to $5K-$7K...who’s charging that???
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Post by 2004dad on May 22, 2018 3:26:47 GMT
oasl team
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Post by CanCro on May 22, 2018 12:21:42 GMT
Wow...likely a smaller OASL club without the support of a larger house league program. All depends on the quality of training to assess if it’s worth it.
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Post by Rube on May 23, 2018 13:44:44 GMT
$5 to $7 is not normal. OASL and OPDL are pretty much around the same. Travel tournaments should not be added as some teams do more than others. Base in mid $3 range seems around average.
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